Re: IDPUG Registration on PostgreSQL Website - Mailing list pgsql-advocacy

Jonathan, Lucky,

* Jonathan S. Katz (jkatz@postgresql.org) wrote:
> > On Dec 29, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Lucky Haryadi <lucky@equnix.asia> wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 3:39 AM, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org <mailto:jkatz@postgresql.org>> wrote:
> >> On Dec 28, 2017, at 11:34 PM, Lucky Haryadi <lucky@equnix.asia <mailto:lucky@equnix.asia>> wrote:
> >> I would like to inform that Indonesia has already had a PostgreSQL User Group, called IDPUG.
> >> We already have 4 community events, held since 2016, as you can see on our Meetup website
> >>
> >> https://www.meetup.com/Indonesia-PostgreSQL/ <https://www.meetup.com/Indonesia-PostgreSQL/>
> >>
> >> Most of people in IDPUG are enterprises users, implementors, students, and developers who use PostgreSQL in
Indonesia.
> >> We want to register IDPUG to postgresql.org <http://postgresql.org/> website for Local User Group.
> >> Please tell us if there are some requirements to be fulfilled to register the user group.
> >
> > That is exciting news! I have added IDPUG to the user groups [https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/
<https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/>]page. 
> >
> >
> > Thank you for attaching IDPUG on the website :)
> > And we would like to update the website link to be directed to www.postgresql.or.id <http://www.postgresql.or.id/>.
>
> I looked at this page and it looks more like a sales portal than a user group community page.  While it does contain
somecompelling facts about PostgreSQL and has some very good reasons to use it, there are a few things that do not
appearto adhere to the spirit of the community: 
>
>     * It is unclear that this is a site for IDPUG - IDPUG is not even mentioned until the footer of the page, which
takesawhile to scroll to 

The first link is to .Org and the second link is to meetup.com for the
IDPUG, so I'm not sure it's quite that bad.

>     * There is very strong marketing copy at the bottom soliciting user info to connect to a sales team, i.e. “Get a
quotation”

I tend to agree that this isn't really appropriate for a PUG listing.

> I’m happy for someone to chime in and disagree with me, but I would not feel comfortable linking to this website from
.org

Linking to the meetup.com page, as you've done, seems like the right
approach to me for now.  Ideally, the webite at
http://www.postgresql.or.id/ would be updated to be clearly more
independent and in-line with the expectations of sites linked from
.Org under the 'International Sites' section in the future, at which
time it would make sense to add it there.

As discussed previously here, we should work to formalize just what
those expectations are through a policy of some kind for international
PostgreSQL sites, as we've started to now do for conferences and formal
NPOs.

To be clear, I agree with your overall assessment, as things stand
today, Jonathan.  At the same time, I do feel that Lucky and company
have made a reasonably good effort to get things moving and we just need
some relatively minor adjustments to bring it into line with what is
expected of a .Org international site.

Thanks!

Stephen