Re: Code of Conduct plan - Mailing list pgsql-general

On 06/05/2018 07:45 AM, Chris Travers wrote:

>     It is my hope that PostgreSQL.Org -Core chooses members for that
>     committee that are exceedingly diverse otherwise it is just an echo
>     chamber for a single ideology and that will destroy this community.
> 
> 
> If I may suggest:  The committee should be international as well and 
> include people from around the world.  The last thing we want is for it 
> to be dominated by people from one particular cultural viewpoint.
> 

+1


>     "considered offensive by fellow members"
> 
>     Is definitely too broad. The problem comes in here:
> 
>         I might possibly say that "I'm the master in this area" when
>         talking to someone on a technical subject.  In the sense that
>         I'm better at that particular skill, but some hypersensitive
>         American could get their knickers in a twist (notice, that in
>         this context, no gender is implied -- also in using that that
>         expression "get their knickers in a twist" could offend some
>         snowflake) claiming that I'm suggesting that whoever
> 
> 
>     "snowflake", I find that term hilarious others find it highly
>     offensive. Which is correct?
> 
> 
> I agree with both concerns in the above exchange.
> 
> This is an economic common project.  The goal should be for people to 
> come together and act civilly.  Waging culture war using the code of 
> conduct itself should be a violation of the code of conduct and this 
> goes on *all* (not just one or two) sides.
> 

[snip]

> 
>     Yes and that is a problem. We need to have some simple barrier of
>     acceptance that we are all adults here (or should act like adults).
>     Knowing your audience is important.
> 
> 
> I would point out also that the PostgreSQL community is nice and 
> mature.  At PGConf US I saw what appeared to be two individuals with red 
> MAGA hats.  And yet everyone managed to be civil.  We manage to do 
> better than the US does on the whole in this regard and we should be 
> proud of ourselves.

To be fair, those were South Africans but yes, nobody gave them any 
public grief as far as I know.

> 
>     Correct. I think one way to look at all of this is, "if you wouldn't
>     say it to your boss or a client don't say it here". That too has
>     problems but generally speaking I think it keeps the restrictions
>     rational.
> 
> 
> I will post a more specific set of thoughts here but in general I think 
> the presumption ought to be that people are trying to work together.  
> Misunderstanding can happen.  But let's try to act in a collegial and 
> generally respectful way around eachother.

+1

JD




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