Mailing lists [pgsql-admin]
- Online Backups with 8.0 -- Confused Jason DiCioccio
 - How to associate locks with a Postgres object Adrian Engelbrecht
 - Re: Online Backups with 8.0 -- Confused Simon Riggs
 - Re: initdb.exe error while installing postgres 8.0 Shashi Gireddy
 - Re: Online Backups with 8.0 -- Confused Jason DiCioccio
 - Re: Online Backups with 8.0 -- Confused Simon Riggs
 - Re: Online Backups with 8.0 -- Confused Simon Riggs
 - Can WE modify column of a table in postgres 7.3 sharma;G.S.
 - How to recover when can't start database L.Boldareva
 - Re: How to recover when can't start database
 - Re: Online Backups with 8.0 -- Confused Pallav Kalva
 - Postgresql.conf setting recommendations for 8.0.1 Pallav Kalva
 - Re: How to recover when can't start database Tom Lane
 - Re: How to recover when can't start database L.Boldareva
 - Re: How to recover when can't start database Scott Marlowe
 - Re: How to recover when can't start database L.Boldareva
 - Re: How to recover when can't start database Tom Lane
 - Re: How to recover when can't start database L.Boldareva
 - Help understanding VACUUM info on 7.4.5 Chris White (cjwhite)
 - Help with statement Sabio - PSQL
 - Possible Bug in PreparedStatement Sabio - PSQL
 - Re: Help understanding VACUUM info on 7.4.5 Tom Lane
 - Re: Help understanding VACUUM info on 7.4.5 Chris White (cjwhite)
 - Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Joseph Brenner
 - Re: Help understanding VACUUM info on 7.4.5 Tom Lane
 - Re: Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Goulet, Dick
 - Re: Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Tom Lane
 - Re: Help understanding VACUUM info on 7.4.5 Chris White (cjwhite)
 
- Re: Can WE modify column of a table in postgres 7.3 Michael Fuhr
 - Re: Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Christopher Browne
 - Re: Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Bruce Momjian
 - Re: Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Christopher Browne
 
- Re: Disk Encryption - Postgresql vs. Oracle Bruce Momjian
 - Re: ´Stalled post to pgsq Dr. Roger Wießner
 - standalone version of psql.exe? Cris Carampa
 - PITR/Online Backups? When can I delete archived WAL logs? Jason DiCioccio
 - Re: standalone version of psql.exe? Cris Carampa
 - postgres 7.2.1 pg_restore large objects Dario Pudlo
 - postgres 7.2.1 pg_restore large objects Dario Pudlo
 - Re: PITR/Online Backups? When can I delete archived WAL logs? Tom Lane
 - Re: PITR/Online Backups? When can I delete archived WAL logs? Jason DiCioccio
 - Re: postgres 7.2.1 pg_restore large objects Juan Miguel
 - Re: ´Stalled post to pgsq Bruno Wolff III
 
- Advice on mysql to postgres conversion. Theo Galanakis
 - is this normal? Chuming Chen
 - Re: is this normal? Lee Wu
 - Having performance problems. eanxgeek@comcast.net
 - Re: is this normal? Jason DiCioccio
 - Re: is this normal? Chuming Chen
 - Re: Having performance problems. David A. Leedom
 - Trying to use initlocation lista@ernstson.nu
 - Re: Trying to use initlocation Jonathan Daugherty
 - Re: Having performance problems. eanxgeek@comcast.net
 - java drivers Joel Fradkin
 
- VACUUM and read-mostly tables Ian Westmacott
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Tom Lane
 - Re: Advice on mysql to postgres conversion. Robert Treat
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Ian Westmacott
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Ian Westmacott
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Tom Lane
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Ian Westmacott
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Ian Westmacott
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Tom Lane
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: VACUUM and read-mostly tables Jim C. Nasby
 
- Preventing the schema from being revealed. Ian FREISLICH
 - Re: Trying to use initlocation lista@ernstson.nu
 - Re: Trying to use initlocation lista@ernstson.nu
 - Postgresql settings help for 8.0.1 Pallav Kalva
 - Windows NT 4.0 installation. Bruno G. Albuquerque
 - Re: Windows NT 4.0 installation. Magnus Hagander
 - Re: Postgresql settings help for 8.0.1 Joel Fradkin
 - delete to slow Ricardo Valença de Assis
 - Re: delete to slow Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: delete to slow Tom Lane
 - Re: delete to slow Ricardo Valença de Assis
 - Re: delete to slow Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: delete to slow Tom Lane
 - Re: delete to slow Ricardo Valença de Assis
 - Opened Cursors Dextra - Gustavo Bartz Guedes
 - Re: delete to slow Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: delete to slow Tom Lane
 - Re: delete to slow Ricardo Valença de Assis
 - Re: delete to slow Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: delete to slow Ricardo Valença de Assis
 - Re: delete to slow Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: delete to slow Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: delete to slow Tom Lane
 - PGDG RPMS and integer-datetimes support S Murthy Kambhampaty
 
- Hang in semop() in 'waiting' backends Robert Fielding
 - Re: Hang in semop() in 'waiting' backends Tom Lane
 - Re: delete to slow Jim C. Nasby
 - Problem with backup... Marcin Giedz
 - Re: Problem with backup... Marcin Giedz
 - Re: PGDG RPMS and integer-datetimes support Devrim GUNDUZ
 
- pg_dump on remote machine Askar Zaidi
 - Re: pg_dump on remote machine Joel Fradkin
 - Re: pg_dump on remote machine Brad Nicholson
 - Re: pg_dump on remote machine Thomas Kaminski
 - Automatic Backups David A. Leedom
 - Re: Automatic Backups John DeSoi
 - Re: Automatic Backups David A. Leedom
 
- Re: Automatic Backups Magnus Hagander
 - can be database files be copied using 'cp' between hosts with different endianess? Vlad Harchev
 - can ALL database files reside on readonly filesystem Vlad Harchev
 - Re: can be database files be copied using 'cp' between hosts with different endianess? Peter Eisentraut
 - Re: can ALL database files reside on readonly filesystem Peter Eisentraut
 - Re: can be database files be copied using 'cp' between hosts with different endianess? Vlad Harchev
 - Re: can ALL database files reside on readonly filesystem Vlad Harchev
 - PG8 Timelines
 
- Re: can be database files be copied using 'cp' between hosts with William Yu
 - Re: Automatic Backups John DeSoi
 - Re: Automatic Backups Magnus Hagander
 - conection erro Fernando Andreacci
 - Automatically updating pg_hba.conf Serge Obeuf
 - Problems recovering sequences from a backup done with pg_dump David Sáez Palacios
 - Re: Trying to use initlocation Henric Ernstson
 - PostgreSQL 8.0 installation on Windows XP installation Abdul Shakoor
 - Limited to 100 connections fred
 - Postgress ETL/Replication hokah
 - Problem Postgres importation of sql file Kelly Kane
 - postgres help goa
 - Re: postgres help Michael Fuhr
 - Re: Problem Postgres importation of sql file Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: PostgreSQL 8.0 installation on Windows XP installation John DeSoi
 - Re: Problems recovering sequences from a backup done with pg_dump Michael Fuhr
 
- Pg_autovacuum script. Theo Galanakis
 - Re: Automatically updating pg_hba.conf Bruce Momjian
 - Re: postgres help Tom Lane
 - Mysql to postgres Theo Galanakis
 - Re: Mysql to postgres Tom Lane
 - Re: pg_dump on remote machine Thomas Kaminski
 - pg_dump on remote machine Askar Zaidi
 - Re: pg_dump on remote machine Thomas Kaminski
 - Problem in order by Reuly Bússolo Mendes
 - Re: Problem in order by Stephan Szabo
 - Re: Problem in order by Reuly Bússolo Mendes
 - Re: Mysql to postgres Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: Trying to use initlocation Thomas F.O'Connell
 - Re: Limited to 100 connections Thomas F.O'Connell
 - Re: Pg_autovacuum script. Thomas F.O'Connell
 - Re: Mysql to postgres Theo Galanakis
 
- Log File Maintainance Inpreet Singh
 - PostgreSQL replication solution? Andrei Bintintan
 - Re: Trying to use initlocation lista@ernstson.nu
 - db restore eats too much memory Tsirkin Evgeny
 - Re: PostgreSQL replication solution? John DeSoi
 - upper() with LATIN1 problem Lic. Guillermo González
 - Re: Log File Maintainance Scott Marlowe
 - Re: Log File Maintainance Scott Marlowe
 - Re: Problem in order by Stephan Szabo
 - Re: db restore eats too much memory Tom Lane
 - Re: upper() with LATIN1 problem Tom Lane
 - Re: Problem in order by Reuly Bússolo Mendes
 - pg_temp_xxx schemas Marcin Giedz
 - Re: Problem in order by Stephan Szabo
 - Re: Problem in order by Stephan Szabo
 - Re: Problem in order by Reuly Bússolo Mendes
 - Re: PostgreSQL replication solution? Joshua D. Drake
 - performance problem sanjay tumula
 - Re: PG8 Timelines Simon Riggs
 - unsubscribe Arcane_Rhino
 
- question about wal and point in time recovery Alex Zendel
 - High Available Software Technologies Support About Postgres li-jiang.liu@bull.net
 - Re: question about wal and point in time recovery Tom Lane
 - Re: High Available Software Technologies Support About Postgres Christopher Browne
 - Re: question about wal and point in time recovery Mohan, Ross
 - Re: question about wal and point in time recovery Tom Lane
 - Re: question about wal and point in time recovery Mohan, Ross
 - Re: question about wal and point in time recovery lst_hoe01@kwsoft.de
 - Re: upper() with LATIN1 problem Lic. Guillermo González
 - Re: upper() with LATIN1 problem Tom Lane
 - Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Chris Hoover
 - Best way to store files inside db Chris Hoover
 - Re: Best way to store files inside db Joshua D. Drake
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Joshua D. Drake
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Chris Hoover
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Joel Fradkin
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Joshua D. Drake
 - [PHP] unsubscribe Libia Andrea Ramos Sánchez
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Chris Hoover
 
- UNSUSCRIBE Piotr Kabath
 - UNSUBSCRIBE Piotr Kabath
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Tom Lane
 - Re: PostgreSQL replication solution? Andrei Bintintan
 - unsubscribe Patricia Megumi Matsumoto
 - brute force attacking the password Wim Bertels
 - unsubscribe Noel Salles
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Devrim GUNDUZ
 - performance problem sanjay tumula
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Geoffrey
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Devrim GUNDUZ
 - Patch d4dsize Needed Jack Xue
 - Support for raster Data gayatri ganpaa
 - Latest pg_autovacuum script Theo Galanakis
 
- Referential constraints in version 8 Bob Smith
 - Online backups and WAL Marc Cousin
 - Re: Referential constraints in version 8 Alvaro Herrera
 - Out of memory problem. Marcin Giedz
 - Re: Referential constraints in version 8 Tom Lane
 - Re: Out of memory problem. Tom Lane
 - cost of empty fields Enrico Weigelt
 - performance problem sanjay tumula
 - Re: cost of empty fields Jim C. Nasby
 - database corruption Ian Westmacott
 - unsubscribe Carla Villalobos
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Chris Hoover
 - Re: database corruption Chris Travers
 
- Re: database corruption Ian Westmacott
 - Re: Database audit / Associating a statement with connection Ben Kim
 - Re: Out of memory problem. Marcin Giedz
 - Re: Help installing 8.0.2 rpms on RH 3.0 Joel Fradkin
 - Re: database corruption Amadeus Zilfinski
 
- performance problem sanjay tumula
 - Re: database corruption Ian Westmacott
 - Re: database corruption Ian Westmacott
 
- Re: Out of memory problem. Scott Marlowe
 - Pg7.1 to Pg7.2 Upgrade Sherwin Chua
 - seemless password Michael Gaitsgory
 - file system backup of postgresql db onto another installation Giovanni Gualdi
 - Corrupt DB Simpson
 - I: file system backup of postgresql db onto another installation Giovanni Gualdi
 - Destroying all exisitng tables in database Lim, Terrin
 - Re: Pg7.1 to Pg7.2 Upgrade Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: Corrupt DB Tom Lane
 - pg_enconding Dextra - Gustavo Bartz Guedes
 - Re: question about wal and point in time recovery Bruce Momjian
 - Re: pg_temp_xxx schemas Bruce Momjian
 - RES: pg_enconding Gustavo Franklin Nóbrega - Planae
 - Re: pg_enconding Tom Lane
 - Admin Tool to Send Me Email Garris, Nicole
 - Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Pallav Kalva
 - Re: Admin Tool to Send Me Email Jaime Casanova
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Bruce Momjian
 - Re: brute force attacking the password C. Bensend
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Tom Lane
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Bruce Momjian
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Dawid Kuroczko
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Pallav Kalva
 - Re: brute force attacking the password C. Bensend
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Tom Lane
 - Re: I: file system backup of postgresql db onto another installation Steve Garcia
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Tom Lane
 - FW: Admin Tool to Send Me Email Garris, Nicole
 - Re: Latest pg_autovacuum script Bruce Momjian
 - Re: Online backups and WAL Bruce Momjian
 - subscribe Jose Manuel Velasco Martínez
 - Missing commands Al-Amin Ali
 
- Re: file system backup of postgresql db onto another installation John DeSoi
 - Lock file Marek Dabrowski
 - Re: Lock file Marcin Giedz
 - Re: Lock file Tom Lane
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Wim Bertels
 - Re: Destroying all exisitng tables in database Hans Peter Wiedau
 - PAM authentication Dextra - Gustavo Bartz Guedes
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Pallav Kalva
 - Re: Missing commands John DeSoi
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Tom Lane
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Pallav Kalva
 - postmaster hangs Rolf Staege
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Tom Lane
 - Re: postmaster hangs Tom Lane
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Wim Bertels
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Geoffrey
 - Re: Postgres Log rotation not working in 8.0.2 Pallav Kalva
 - Re: postmaster hangs Scott Marlowe
 - Troubleshooting Postgres7.4 Bobb Shields
 - Re: FW: Admin Tool to Send Me Email Robert Treat
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Bruno Wolff III
 - Zuoxin.Wang@kp.org
 - Re: Alvaro Herrera
 - Re: Scott Marlowe
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Wim Bertels
 - Re: Michael Fuhr
 - Re: Steve Crawford
 - Missing value from PostgreSQL query? Zuoxin.Wang@kp.org
 - Re: Zuoxin.Wang@kp.org
 
- pgcluster usage?? Askar Zaidi
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: Troubleshooting Postgres7.4 Michael Fuhr
 - Database syncronization Shadow
 - Re: Database syncronization Jim C. Nasby
 - help sidhki adha
 - Re: Database syncronization John DeSoi
 - Re: Database syncronization Steve Crawford
 - Re: help Scott Marlowe
 - VACUUM with a small table too much delayed. FBaron@co.belcorp.biz
 - Re: VACUUM with a small table too much delayed. Tom Lane
 - Re: cost of empty fields Enrico Weigelt
 
- Re: cost of empty fields Jim C. Nasby
 - Re: brute force attacking the password Wim Bertels
 - Re: delete to slow Spiegelberg, Greg
 - Re: Troubleshooting Postgres7.4 Bobb Shields
 - Re: Troubleshooting Postgres7.4 Alvaro Herrera
 - PG SQL scripts Nigel Bishop
 - pg_dump not in object dependency order for sequences used for pri mary keys Garris, Nicole
 - FW: PostgreSQL (real and effective user ids must match) error Nuno Souto
 - Re: pg_dump not in object dependency order for sequences used for pri mary keys Tom Lane
 - vacuumdb -v output Kevin Copley
 - Re: PG SQL scripts Thomas F.O'Connell
 - Re: vacuumdb -v output Chris Browne
 - REINDEX from shell FBaron@co.belcorp.biz
 - Re: REINDEX from shell Philip Hallstrom
 
- Bytea in Postgres And Hibernate Raghunath Ganti
 - Where can I find the contrib/dbsize. contrib/.... FBaron@co.belcorp.biz
 - Re: Where can I find the contrib/dbsize. contrib/.... Scott Marlowe
 - Reindex from command line linux FBaron@co.belcorp.biz
 - Re: Reindex from command line linux Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: Reindex from command line linux FBaron@co.belcorp.biz
 - Re: Reindex from command line linux Joshua D. Drake
 - Another Data directory for second database - feasible? Tomeh, Husam
 - Re: Reindex from command line linux Scott Marlowe
 - Re: Reindex from command line linux Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: Reindex from command line linux Michael Fuhr
 - Re: Another Data directory for second database - feasible? Scott Marlowe
 - Re: Another Data directory for second database - feasible? Michael Fuhr
 - Re: Another Data directory for second database - Tomeh, Husam
 - Re: Another Data directory for second database - feasible? Chris Browne
 - Re: Another Data directory for second database - feasible? Michelle Konzack
 - Re: Another Data directory for second database - Tomeh, Husam
 - Re: UNSUSCRIBE Ryan J. Cavicchioni
 
- SQL code versioning (views, functions, etc) Ezequiel Tolnay
 - Re: Pg7.1 to Pg7.2 Upgrade Sherwin Chua
 - Installing PostGres Nikhil Pant
 - field names Jodi Kanter
 - isolation level and autocommit Manfred Rebentisch
 - PostgreSQL (real and effective user ids must match) error Nuno Souto
 - Re: field names Alvaro Herrera
 - Product Suggestions syed magthum
 - Re: field names Michael Fuhr
 - Fw: ERROR: Relation product does not exist!! vijay
 - Bytea And Hibernate Raghunath Ganti
 - Re: SQL code versioning (views, functions, etc) Ezequiel Tolnay
 - Re: SQL code versioning (views, functions, etc) Tom Lane
 - Re: isolation level and autocommit Peter Eisentraut
 - Re: Installing PostGres Geoffrey
 - Re: Where can I find the contrib/dbsize. contrib/.... Thomas F.O'Connell
 - Killing Processes Thomas F.O'Connell
 - Re: Killing Processes Michael Fuhr
 - Re: Killing Processes Thomas F.O'Connell
 - Re: Killing Processes Christopher Browne
 - Re: isolation level and autocommit Manfred Rebentisch
 - Re: Killing Processes Michael Fuhr
 - Re: Product Suggestions Alvaro Herrera
 - Re: delete to slow Tom Lane
 - Re: FW: PostgreSQL (real and effective user ids must match) error Tom Lane
 
- Database Corruption, Tables, Databases missing Alan Donald
 - postmaster stop hangs Simpson
 - Re: Database Corruption, Tables, Databases missing Michael Fuhr
 - Locale question Matthew T. O'Connor
 - Re: postmaster stop hangs Tom Lane
 
- PL/SQL dedy
 - lots of idle connections open by application Gourish Singbal
 - Re: lots of idle connections open by application lst_hoe01@kwsoft.de
 - Re: postmaster stop hangs Simpson
 - Re: PL/SQL Christopher Browne
 - Re: PL/SQL Michael Fuhr
 - Re: postmaster stop hangs Tom Lane
 - WAL Dextra - Gustavo Bartz Guedes
 - Re: WAL Bruce Momjian
 
- Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL pam ldap document Bruce Momjian
 - unsubscribe Rob Anderson
 - PostgreSQL in FreeBSD jails Alexander Rusinov
 - FW: pg_dump not in object dependency order for sequences used for primary keys Garris, Nicole
 - Re: PostgreSQL in FreeBSD jails Mario Soto Cordones
 - cache lookup failed for function 8044889 Mario Soto Cordones
 - Re: cache lookup failed for function 8044889 Oleg Bartunov
 - Re: cache lookup failed for function 8044889 Mario Soto Cordones
 - Re: cache lookup failed for function 8044889 Mario Soto Cordones
 - Re: cache lookup failed for function 8044889 Oleg Bartunov
 - Re: cache lookup failed for function 8044889 Oleg Bartunov
 - Re: cache lookup failed for function 8044889 Mario Soto Cordones
 
- security via views Enrico Weigelt
 - PostgreSQL 8.0.x on Windows XPe pgsql-admin@rickabaugh.net
 - Re: security via views Peter Dockweiler
 - Client Authentication problem Vaneet Sharma
 - Re: Client Authentication problem Scott Marlowe
 - Re: security via views Tom Lane
 - Re: Client Authentication problem Michael Fuhr
 - catalog of postgres Mario Soto Cordones
 - Re: catalog of postgres Alvaro Herrera
 - Re: catalog of postgres Mario Soto Cordones
 - Re: catalog of postgres Tom Lane
 - Re: catalog of postgres Lyubomir Petrov
 - Re: catalog of postgres Goulet, Dick
 - unsusbscribe Miguel Angel Mejia Argueta
 - Re: PostgreSQL 8.0.x on Windows XPe Magnus Hagander
 - Re: catalog of postgres Mario Soto Cordones
 - Re: catalog of postgres Alvaro Herrera
 
- Help desperately needed: reoccurring invalid page header Mauri Sahlberg
 - Re: Help desperately needed: reoccurring invalid page Ian Westmacott
 - unsubscribe akanksha kulkarni
 - why oh why procedure dedy
 - Re: Database Encryption (now required by law in Italy) Enrico Weigelt
 - Re: why oh why procedure Michael Fuhr
 
- Re: Help desperately needed: reoccurring invalid page Mauri Sahlberg
 - Re: Database Encryption (now required by law in Italy) Ryan J. Cavicchioni
 - Re: Database Encryption (now required by law in Italy) Bruce Momjian
 - Postges 8.0.2 Online backup Errors! Pallav Kalva
 - Re: Postges 8.0.2 Online backup Errors! Bruce Momjian
 - Re: Postges 8.0.2 Online backup Errors! Tom Lane
 - Re: Database Encryption (now required by law in Italy) Chris Browne
 - Query regarding locale settings saurabh nasa
 - pg_version_history Ezequiel Tolnay
 - connecting postgreSQL form Developer 2000 using ODBC Md. Monjoor Khayer
 - Suse 9.2 stops booting while starting the postgres-server
 - Unable to drop index Oliver Duke-Williams
 - Post Gres triggers for trail Mandar M Bhosale
 
- Backing up users? Mauri Sahlberg
 - Re: Backing up users? Bruno Wolff III
 - Re: Unable to drop index Tom Lane
 - Re: Backing up users? Tom Lane