Re: Proposal: Implement failover on libpq connect level. - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
> Robert Haas wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>> > That sort-of ties into what seems to me the main objection to this
>> > proposal, namely that there is already a way to do this sort of thing:
>> > DNS-based load balancing.  All the clients think they connect to
>> > db.mycompany.com, but which server they actually get is determined by
>> > what IP address the DNS server tells them to use.
>>
>> But that kinda sucks.  I mean, suppose I have three servers, A, B, and
>> C.  I point db.mycompany.com to A, which is the master; then A dies.
>> Under your proposal, whatever script I use to control failover now has
>> to change the DNS records to repoint db.mycompany.com to B, my new,
>> and newly-promoted, new master.   It's quite possible that some
>> machines on the network, or some processes, will have the old IP
>> address cached, and it may be several minutes before those caches time
>> out.  In the meantime, I'm down: even if I bounce the application
>> servers, they may just try to reconnect to A.
>
> The solution to this part seems to be to lower the TTL, which seems
> easy enough.

In theory, yeah.  In practice, not all systems obey the TTL, and in my
experience, that's actually a fairly common problem.   Sometimes the
TTL gets enforced separately at multiple levels, so that all of the
old records don't go away for 2 or 3 times the TTL, or occasionally
completely random intervals of time thoroughly unrelated to the TTL
you configured.  And that assumes that the guy who controls the DNS
server is willing to configure a different TTL for you, which is not
always the case.

It also assumes that guy is OK granting access to modify DNS records
to an automated system running on the database server machines.  That
may be OK if the database server is THE ONE THING that needs treatment
of this type, but if the company supports 50 or 100 services that all
need failover handling, suddenly giving all of those things the
ability to reconfigure the DNS server sounds like a pretty poor plan.
Plus, there may be multiple copies of the DNS server in different
geographies, all cloned from a master at the central office.  When the
central office dies, you lose not only the main database server but
also the main DNS server.  That's OK, because the backup DNS servers
still have copies of all the data from the master ... but you can't
make changes until the master is back up.

All of these problems can be solved if you're willing to put enough
time and energy into it.  For example, Akamai has (or had, at the time
I worked there) a service that did very robust geographical
load-balancing and failover.  So you could, like, go buy that, and
maybe it would solve your problem.  By now, there are probably other
companies offering similar services.  I have no doubt that similar
solutions can be crafted from purely open-source software, and there
may very well be great tools available for this that weren't around
the last time I worked as a network administrator.  But I think it's
quite wrong to assume that the infrastructure for this is available
and usable everywhere, because in my experience, that's far from the
case.

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