Re: Import Statistics in postgres_fdw before resorting to sampling. - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 6:31 AM Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Other initial comments:
>>
>> The commit message says:
>>
>>     This is managed via two new options, fetch_stats and remote_analyze,
>>     both are available at the server level and table level. If fetch_stats
>>     is true, then the ANALYZE command will first attempt to fetch statistics
>>     from the remote table and import those statistics locally.
>>
>>     If remote_analyze is true, and if the first attempt to fetch remote
>>     statistics found no attribute statistics, then an attempt will be made
>>     to ANALYZE the remote table before a second and final attempt to fetch
>>     remote statistics.
>>
>>     If no statistics are found, then ANALYZE will fall back to the normal
>>     behavior of sampling and local analysis.
>>
>> I think the first step assumes that the remote stats are up-to-date;
>> if they aren't, it would cause a regression.  (If the remote relation
>> is a plain table, they are likely to be up-to-date, but for example,
>> if it is a foreign table, it's possible that they are stale.)  So how
>> about making it the user's responsibility to make them up-to-date?  If
>> doing so, we wouldn't need to do the second and third steps anymore,
>> making the patch simple.

> Obviously there is no way to know the quality/freshness of remote stats if they are found.
>
> The analyze option was borne of feedback from other postgres hackers while brainstorming on what this option might
looklike. I don't think we *need* this extra option for the feature to be a success, but it's relative simplicity did
makeme want to put it out there to see who else liked it. 

Actually, I have some concerns about the ANALYZE and fall-back
options.  As for the former, if the remote user didn't have the
MAINTAIN privilege on the remote table, remote ANALYZE would be just a
waste effort.  As for the latter, imagine the situation where a user
ANALYZEs a foreign table whose remote table is significantly large.
When the previous attempts fail, the user might want to re-try to
import remote stats after ANALYZEing the remote table in the remote
side in some way, rather than postgres_fdw automatically falling back
to the normal lengthy processing.  I think just throwing an error if
the first attempt fails would make the system not only simple but
reliable while providing some flexibility to users.

>> On the other hand:
>>
>>     This operation will only work on remote relations that can have stored
>>     statistics: tables, partitioned tables, and materialized views. If the
>>     remote relation is a view then remote fetching/analyzing is just wasted
>>     effort and the user is better of setting fetch_stats to false for that
>>     table.
>>
>> I'm not sure the waste effort is acceptable; IMO, if the remote table
>> is a view, I think that the system should detect that in some way, and
>> then just do the normal ANALYZE processing.
>
>
> The stats fetch query is pretty light, but I can see fetching the relkind along with the relstats, and making
decisionson whether to continue from there, only applying the relstats after attrstats have been successfully applied. 

Good idea!  I would vote for throwing an error if the relkind is view,
making the user set fetch_stats to false for the foreign table.

Best regards,
Etsuro Fujita