Thread: Fwd: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
Fwd: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
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Durgamahesh Manne
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From: Durgamahesh Manne <maheshpostgres9@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 10:01 AM
Subject: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
To: <pgsql-in-general@postgresql.org>
From: Durgamahesh Manne <maheshpostgres9@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 10:01 AM
Subject: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
To: <pgsql-in-general@postgresql.org>
Hi team
Second column of composite index not in use effectively with index scan when using second column at where clause
I have composite index on (placedon,id) of test
When quering select * from test where id = '4234';
Value of id changes and during concurrent activity and cpu utilization increased toomuch that i have observed which means query plan changed why
I could see index scan with explain for it
Is there any way to keep index scan for it during even on concurrency rather than seperate index on second column of composite index ?
Hope everyone understand this
Regards,
Durga Mahesh
Hi Greg
you mentioned that below
(please start a new thread in the future rather than replying to an existing one)
You cannot query on b and use an index on (a,b) as you observed. However, you can have two indexes:
index1(a)
index2(b)
Postgres will be able to combine those when needed in the case where your WHERE clause needs to filter by both columns. So then you no longer need the two-column index.
Hi Greg ,
Here not using composite index on ordinary table.
Composite index that i use on partitioned table is mandatory for use to replicate data to target using pglogical (sorry this is not mentioned earlier)
composite key (placedon,id)
In concurrent mode if i use id at where clause then query plan for that id column changes
How to mitigate it rather than use seperate index for id to continue without change in query plan (index scan) during concurrent activity
I hope you understand this
Regards,
Durga Mahesh
Cheers,
Greg
Re: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
From
Greg Sabino Mullane
Date:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:28 AM Durgamahesh Manne <maheshpostgres9@gmail.com> wrote:
composite key (placedon,id)In concurrent mode if i use id at where clause then query plan for that id column changesHow to mitigate it rather than use seperate index for id to continue without change in query plan (index scan) during concurrent activity
Why the focus on "concurrent mode"? Perhaps explain what you mean by that.
Speaking of explain, it might help if you show us the explain plans and how they are not coming out how you want. Also the table definitions, but feel free to not show columns unrelated to the problem.
Cheers,
Greg
Re: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
From
Durgamahesh Manne
Date:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:57 PM Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:28 AM Durgamahesh Manne <maheshpostgres9@gmail.com> wrote:composite key (placedon,id)In concurrent mode if i use id at where clause then query plan for that id column changesHow to mitigate it rather than use seperate index for id to continue without change in query plan (index scan) during concurrent activityWhy the focus on "concurrent mode"? Perhaps explain what you mean by that.Speaking of explain, it might help if you show us the explain plans and how they are not coming out how you want. Also the table definitions, but feel free to not show columns unrelated to the problem.Cheers,Greg
Hi Greg
Thanks for your quick response
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default | Storage | Compression | Stats target | Description
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------+----------+---------+----------+-------------+--------------+-------------
id | bigint | | not null | | plain | | |
externalbetid | text | | | | extended | | |
externalsystem | text | | | | extended | | |
placedon | timestamp with time zone | | not null | | plain | | |
txnstep | integer | | | | plain | | |
txnstage | text | | | | extended | | |
txnstatus | text | | | | extended | | |
"pmk_test" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id, placedon) REPLICA IDENTITY
if use this (id,placedon) when running select query then no issues bez select picks up first column of composite key select * from test where id = '4234';
Append (cost=0.14..42.14 rows=19 width=1355) (actual time=0.177..0.186 rows=1 loops=1)
-> Index Scan using test_p2023_07_id_idx on test_p2023_07 test_1 (cost=0.14..2.38 rows=1 width=1874) (actual time=0.009..0.009 rows=0 loops=1)
Index Cond: (id = '4234'::text)
-> Index Scan using test_p2023_08_id_idx on test_p2023_08 test_2 (cost=0.14..2.38 rows=1 width=1848) (actual time=0.005..0.005 rows=0 loops=1)
Index Cond: (id = '4234'::text)
-> Index Scan using test_p2023_07_id_idx on test_p2023_07 test_1 (cost=0.14..2.38 rows=1 width=1874) (actual time=0.009..0.009 rows=0 loops=1)
Index Cond: (id = '4234'::text)
-> Index Scan using test_p2023_08_id_idx on test_p2023_08 test_2 (cost=0.14..2.38 rows=1 width=1848) (actual time=0.005..0.005 rows=0 loops=1)
Index Cond: (id = '4234'::text)
Planning Time: 0.100 ms
Execution Time: 0.40 ms
Execution Time: 0.40 ms
>>>>> if i change constraint order (placedon,id) then in this case
I could see same index scan with explain analyze for 1 call or 2 calls
Here concurrent mode means you are already aware (no of calls increases concurrently)
Sudden cpu spike i have observed which is unusual(more than needed) when no of calls increased concurrently on that query
Based on that info i suspected that query plan changed hence raised question here this is what i faced with mentioned columns order related to problem
Example for better understanding to you
in oracle
CREATE INDEX idx_orders_customer_date ON orders (customer_id, order_date);
SELECT /*+ INDEX(orders idx_orders_customer_date) */ *
FROM orders
WHERE order_date = '2024-01-01';
WHERE order_date = '2024-01-01';
I am not sure how this works . this is the example gathered for you
I hope you can understand . Sorry i can't explain more than this much
Regards,
Durga Mahesh
Re: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
From
Durgamahesh Manne
Date:
On Fri, 11 Oct, 2024, 23:33 Durgamahesh Manne, <maheshpostgres9@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:57 PM Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids@gmail.com> wrote:On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:28 AM Durgamahesh Manne <maheshpostgres9@gmail.com> wrote:composite key (placedon,id)In concurrent mode if i use id at where clause then query plan for that id column changesHow to mitigate it rather than use seperate index for id to continue without change in query plan (index scan) during concurrent activityWhy the focus on "concurrent mode"? Perhaps explain what you mean by that.Speaking of explain, it might help if you show us the explain plans and how they are not coming out how you want. Also the table definitions, but feel free to not show columns unrelated to the problem.Cheers,GregHi GregThanks for your quick responsePartitioned table "test"
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default | Storage | Compression | Stats target | Description
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------+----------+---------+----------+-------------+--------------+-------------
id | bigint | | not null | | plain | | |
externalbetid | text | | | | extended | | |
externalsystem | text | | | | extended | | |
placedon | timestamp with time zone | | not null | | plain | | |
txnstep | integer | | | | plain | | |
txnstage | text | | | | extended | | |
txnstatus | text | | | | extended | | |"pmk_test" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id, placedon) REPLICA IDENTITYif use this (id,placedon) when running select query then no issues bez select picks up first column of composite keyselect * from test where id = '4234';Append (cost=0.14..42.14 rows=19 width=1355) (actual time=0.177..0.186 rows=1 loops=1)
-> Index Scan using test_p2023_07_id_idx on test_p2023_07 test_1 (cost=0.14..2.38 rows=1 width=1874) (actual time=0.009..0.009 rows=0 loops=1)
Index Cond: (id = '4234'::text)
-> Index Scan using test_p2023_08_id_idx on test_p2023_08 test_2 (cost=0.14..2.38 rows=1 width=1848) (actual time=0.005..0.005 rows=0 loops=1)
Index Cond: (id = '4234'::text)Planning Time: 0.100 ms
Execution Time: 0.40 ms>>>>> if i change constraint order (placedon,id) then in this caseI could see same index scan with explain analyze for 1 call or 2 callsHere concurrent mode means you are already aware (no of calls increases concurrently)Sudden cpu spike i have observed which is unusual(more than needed) when no of calls increased concurrently on that queryBased on that info i suspected that query plan changed hence raised question here this is what i faced with mentioned columns order related to problemExample for better understanding to youin oracleCREATE INDEX idx_orders_customer_date ON orders (customer_id, order_date);SELECT /*+ INDEX(orders idx_orders_customer_date) */ *FROM orders
WHERE order_date = '2024-01-01';I am not sure how this works . this is the example gathered for youI hope you can understand . Sorry i can't explain more than this muchRegards,Durga Mahesh
Hi PGDG
In oracle
Example for better understanding to you
CREATE INDEX idx_orders_customer_date ON orders (customer_id, order_date);
SELECT /*+ INDEX(orders idx_orders_customer_date) */ *
FROM orders
WHERE order_date = '2024-01-01';
I am not sure how this works in oracle . this is the example gathered for reference
In the similar way
Do we have anything in postgres like oracle ?
Regards,
Durga Mahesh
Re: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
From
David Rowley
Date:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 at 02:28, Durgamahesh Manne <maheshpostgres9@gmail.com> wrote: > Second column of composite index not in use effectively with index scan when using second column at where clause > > I have composite index on (placedon,id) of test > When quering select * from test where id = '4234'; > Value of id changes and during concurrent activity and cpu utilization increased toomuch that i have observed which meansquery plan changed why > > I could see index scan with explain for it > > Is there any way to keep index scan for it during even on concurrency rather than seperate index on second column of compositeindex ? It sounds like you might be asking about something we call "index skip scans". Currently, PostgreSQL does not support these, however there is work being done to add support and that might arrive in PG18. There is some information about a possible workaround in [1] which may be of use to you. David [1] https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Loose_indexscan
Re: Inefficient use of index scan on 2nd column of composite index during concurrent activity
From
Durgamahesh Manne
Date:
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 15:15 David Rowley, <dgrowleyml@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 at 02:28, Durgamahesh Manne
<maheshpostgres9@gmail.com> wrote:
> Second column of composite index not in use effectively with index scan when using second column at where clause
>
> I have composite index on (placedon,id) of test
> When quering select * from test where id = '4234';
> Value of id changes and during concurrent activity and cpu utilization increased toomuch that i have observed which means query plan changed why
>
> I could see index scan with explain for it
>
> Is there any way to keep index scan for it during even on concurrency rather than seperate index on second column of composite index ?
It sounds like you might be asking about something we call "index skip
scans". Currently, PostgreSQL does not support these, however there is
work being done to add support and that might arrive in PG18.
There is some information about a possible workaround in [1] which may
be of use to you.
David
[1] https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Loose_indexscan
Hi David
Thanks you for valuable info
Regards,
Durga Mahesh